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Poster: chris in long beach Date: Jun 20, 2011 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Two drummers

I'm going to be one of those assholes that responds w/o having an answer, sorry :)

I guess I'm responding because, well, except for some of the early stuff I can't even hear two drummers (except if I listen really hard and can hear two different snare sounds, etc).

Are most of you able to hear two drummers?

I much prefer the "sound" of one drummer. Because, hey, even if most of the time I can't hear two drummers, two drum sets still take up a lot of sonic space. The other instruments get a lot more breathing room with one drummer.

Plus, with one drummer, there probably wouldn't have been a drums/space segment :)

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Poster: utopian Date: Jun 22, 2011 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Two drummers

Two drummers is such a progression from the Country Folk jazz based era of 70-74. They were trying to redefine their sound.... again. While i can enjoy the cream of 73-74 (especially tidh 73) the sound is dated and has too much country twang for my liking. It was not a sustainable timeless sound, like they were trying to tap into. Micky was brought back to keep the sound on a foreward cohesive track, on the one (for any funk fans.) The post hiatus sound was much more linear and danceable, something 73-74 was not. Gotta keep the kids dancing.

Some say, 'two drummers is too much.'

I say, the dead started to hit their stride in 77

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Understandably some can not hear or distinguish the sound. A good pair of headphones help or balanced speaker placement at a moderate + volume.

here are some highlights that can help you distinguish the two drummer sound.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-05.sbd.cantor.7725.shnf
peggy-o

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-09-24.neumann.wiley.9200.sbeok.shnf
Uncle Johns Band

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-08-19.mtx.hansokolow.96303.sbeok.flac16
I know you rider

peace

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Poster: dwh9 Date: Apr 17, 2016 3:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Two drummers

The grateful dead without 2 drummers is not the Grateful Dead. I know that was their original lineup. I also know they had a cocaine cowboy era between 1971 and 1974. And it sounded good. But try this- Put on head phones and listen to the 'other one'. When Bob Weir starts singing "Spanish Lady Comes ...." you sometimes hear a cowbell (more cowbell). That's Mickey Hart. Bill the drummer rarely used the cowbell to embellish his playing. His job was to keep the beat consistently and Mickeys added the color. I used to go to see the Grateful Dead just for the 2 drummers and watched the drummers interact. Jerry Garcia once said playing music with two drummers is like galloping locomotives. Its the heaviest thing on earth. They always placed their drums on each side of the stage. In September of 1968 (the 20th) at one of their shows, in the middle of their solos, the middle of the stage separated and ascended with (I think) Allah Rakha drummer extraordinaire playing the tabla. That was the highlight for me of the show. As people now say it was 'sick'. My first time I saw them was in August of '68 at the Fillmore West playing Alligator. ALLIGATOR!! The Grateful Dead, without Mickey Hart with all his complex rhythms, would not have lasted as long as they have. Bill the drummer would not be able to play the Eleven in 11/4 signature. I am glad he returned with the Grateful Dead in 1974. They pushed their drums closer together for a tighter sound and better communication and by joining back with the Grateful Dead he was able to afford his outside projects with the Diga Rhythm Devils and with drummers like Airto. With Mickey Hart the Grateful Dead never sounded muddled. Remove those cauliflowers from your ears. I kid you not.

I am wrong. The musicians who arose on the stage were Shankar Ghosh and Vince Delgado. It would have been cool if it was Allah Rakha.
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